Comments on: Mixing Tip – Delay instead of reverb

By: Jon

Jon — Thu, 06 Jan 2011 03:40:15 +0000

My site got nuked a couple months ago and some stuff (like those clips) hasn’t been recovered yet.

Haas effect can work well sometimes.

By: gbsr

gbsr — Wed, 05 Jan 2011 20:31:57 +0000

sup. first off: the audio files arent working anyhwere, says the files missing. but whats more: you can widen a mix and create “space” aswell using 25ms or less delays, something called the haas effect, or the haas delay. slightly related to this topic. it is a psychoacoustic phenomenon that works something like this: anything that is percieved as around 30ish ms (give or take 5) or less will be percieved as a single source, so if you pan the nondelayed source and delayed source a bit (45 degrees around) you can create an incredibly wide mix without compromising too much spectral space. just be careful of phase issues

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By: Dave (chckn8r)

Dave (chckn8r) — Fri, 12 Feb 2010 02:56:01 +0000

Nice segment Jon – I like to do this too.

I had the same question as Joe – I usually use a stereo delay that has LR cross-feed in it (the one that comes in Logic (gasp) actually does the job nicely). You can really get fancy with some multi-tap delays cross-feeding each other to get some more full sounds too.

I know you cranked the FX to illustrate, but yeah, I just put a touch of this on bringing it up to just noticeable and then backing off, then also send the dry signal to a room verb with just the ER enabled – gets that subtle, reverb feel without the annoying tails.

By: Jon

Jon — Thu, 11 Feb 2010 05:42:54 +0000

@banjar
Nope, doesn’t work like that. What you’re suggesting will not have the same effect. You need the feedback loop to create the effect.

Also its Center, Left & Right signals. Left and right bleed into each other.

Follow the signal flow.

By: banjar teratai capung

banjar teratai capung — Thu, 11 Feb 2010 05:27:29 +0000

to made more easier – just duplicate track and move few millisecond and add with plug in anything you want so simple

By: Jon

Jon — Wed, 10 Feb 2010 14:55:02 +0000

That’s right Joe.
It’s basically the same routing as a ping-pong delay but using much smaller delay times.

By: Joe Gilder

Joe Gilder — Wed, 10 Feb 2010 12:55:49 +0000

Okay, I think I just answered my own question. You’re feeding each aux into the other. Gotcha.

Sorry, for some reason the left side of your screen shot won’t really come up on my screen.

Cool stuff.

By: Joe Gilder

Joe Gilder — Wed, 10 Feb 2010 12:52:03 +0000

Very cool, Jon. Delay can be SO much more effective than reverb on certain tunes.

Quick question: Why not just use a single stereo delay on a stereo bus? Your screenshot shows two of the basic Digi delays. If you just used the stereo Digi delay, you could do the exact same thing. It lets you adjust the left and right delays independently of one another.

Just curious what benefits you get from two mono aux vs one stereo aux?

By: Josh Woodward

Josh Woodward — Wed, 10 Feb 2010 01:54:06 +0000

D’oh! Sorry, totally missed that. You definitely nailed it, then.